Dirty bombs, just like actual nukes, would have a certain isotope ratio that is characteristic for the source. In case of Ukraine, those sources are limited to their existing (and controlled) nuclear infrastructure.
It would be identifiable, especially if the wind carries it over 3rd parties.
Dirty bombs, just like actual nukes, would have a certain isotope ratio that is characteristic for the source. In case of Ukraine, those sources are limited to their existing (and controlled) nuclear infrastructure.
It would be identifiable, especially if the wind carries it over 3rd parties.
A Russian source would be more difficult to pin down (their nuclear industry is vast and they also do reprocessing, for example they reprocess our spent fuel chiefly because of the Plutonium in it, but there's all sorts of nasty stuff in spent fuel). When the Russians do radiological attacks, they also send a message that it was them. For example: Polonium is difficult to acquire and purify. When they chose that as a weapon for an assassination, it was meant to be understood (any dummy can make ricin that does the job just as well. Pure Polonium, that doesn't have other isotopes that might trigger a radiation sensor, in quantities, is Big Boy stuff).
Interesting. Thanks George. Nobody in the western (corporate) media will report on the source. Any Russian investigation will be ignored. But there are a few dozen people across the west sitting in swiss villas, lake Washington mansions, Maryland colonials and British estates that could use a cup of Polonium tea.
Well, I'm not so blackpilled, even though I live next door in Hungary. In case of the fighting around Zaporizhzhia, they were very reluctant to name the Ukrainians as the attackers (even though they bragged about it, and I have an NPR(!) article to point to), eventually the international atomic whatever UN people showed up to provide an independent source. It's the UN but you gotta cook with what you have.
So I hope if there's any radiological incident, they will do get there as well.
Also, wind might carry this crap to other countries, and any cucking to Washington will become a secondary problem for the politicians over there, if the radiation alarms go off.
Any university radiological lab should have the spectrometers to do an investigation on the composition of the radioactive elements present in the bomb. That's routine science. Nerd tourists in Chernobyl do that on their laptops, there's at least one Youtube channel with that.
Although wind is unlikely to carry that stuff far, it's not like a nuke, even nukes don't spread their fallout far if they detonate close to the ground. Maybe if there's a big fire.
TLDR: it would be a very stupid escalation for either side, with only downsides and no upsides that I can see.
I'll be VERY cynical here, but gas attacks against civilians worked against Assad just as well. If I remember correctly, he was winning on the battlefield and also winning the hearts in a civil war, when, according to Western media, he decided to use a Big No No weapon against a bunch of civilians for no apparent reason. And don't forget babies in incubators, the babies on bayonets of the modern era since the First Gulf War. Why change the playbook?
Yes, every escalation Ukraine (U.S./UK) has taken against Russia the past eight years has only downsides for humanity, but upsides for their control of the masses and framing Russia and Putin as "evil". These neocons are real psychopaths. Those Syria "chemical" attacks via their White Helmet (USAID) proxies was laughable. Pathetically inept and yes, the drooling BBC-CNN watchers bought it all. "Assad is evil". They'll buy this too if it happens.
I have no illusions about either the Neocons or Putin. To us, Hungarians, Russia is a place where the natural gas and oil comes from, and we don't really want anything else to do with them. Maybe a few good Russian restaurants in Budapest.
But it's true that Americans should focus on the (post-)Neocons more than on Putin (is there a difference between John McCain or Hillary, when it comes to ForeverWar?). Putin is losing his own domestic demographic and cultural war, he's not a conquerer, but he can cause a lot of damage if provoked. There, I'll spam my 2 cents, Citizen:
We are very forgiving with the Poles, they've been fucked over by history, royally. We're one of the few who are not at fault. They're betting on a Washington-exclusive strategy going forward, which is a future post that I'm planning. Not smart. Their heart is in the right place, but not smart.
Hungary is trying to act like Austria this time. We had enough 20th century, thank you. Judge us from Twitter if you will. When all the Slava Ukraini posting is over, we'll still be here to deal with the aftermath.
To quote a quote from the post I linked: "They say that we are Putin's interlocutors, when the question everyone should be asking is whether or not Russia will be in our neighbourhood for the next 100 years - I think it will be"
We're not trying to win anything out of this war, any more than the Austrians do. We're just minimizing our losses. We assume that it will be a net loss for Eastern Europe, for Europe. The longer it goes, the more.
There's not much to be potent. Remember, you can walk around there in a bathing suit, today, if you can tolerate the cold. Although, post-covid trigger warning, you SHOULD wear a mask, as breathing that stuff in might be unhealthy.
As far as radiological fingerprints go, I doubt that there's a more thoroughly studied source than Chernobyl, so don't worry.
Every peaceful nuclear project involves the creation of minute, weapons-capable isotopes, so it's a well-monitored field, even outside of military intelligence. Ukraine, after the Budapest memorandum (1994) became a non-nuclear state as far as weapons go, so they should be as probed as any other similar state, like Hungary. That is: well.
TLDR: due to Chernobyl and nuclear disarmament after the dissolution of the USSR, it's too late for Ukraine to become a nuclear rogue state without notice.
UN weapons inspectors will no doubt confirm then that the fallout has a very different isotopic signature from the Chernobyl fallout or Ukrainian nuke material. I am now much reassured! Bearing that in mind, they might not want to detonate a device at a time when the winds will widely disperse the fallout over countries which might want to check on the UN findings.
I don't have a high opinion of the UN, but I do believe that large bureaucracies suck at conspiracies.
You'd be hard pressed to find a larger bureaucracy than the UN 😉
It's also as multi-cultural as it gets and the members are so nosy that it puts gossiping high school girls into shame. It's highly unlikely that they could pull something like that off.
Well, the UN IPCC have done a pretty good job since the 1980s of convincing the entire world that man-made greenhouse gases are catastrophically heating the planet, so I'm not so sure.
That's different, a bureaucracy that has a problem to solve will always find more problems that fit its mission, and never solves what it was created to solve.
If the UN had a "Russian nuclear terrorism council", it would find Russian nuclear terrorism everywhere, as it should.
It's their nature.
Only stupid bureaucrats achieve their mission or admit that they were useless to begin with. The good ones go on forever, more and more. It's in their nature.
Dirty bombs, just like actual nukes, would have a certain isotope ratio that is characteristic for the source. In case of Ukraine, those sources are limited to their existing (and controlled) nuclear infrastructure.
It would be identifiable, especially if the wind carries it over 3rd parties.
A Russian source would be more difficult to pin down (their nuclear industry is vast and they also do reprocessing, for example they reprocess our spent fuel chiefly because of the Plutonium in it, but there's all sorts of nasty stuff in spent fuel). When the Russians do radiological attacks, they also send a message that it was them. For example: Polonium is difficult to acquire and purify. When they chose that as a weapon for an assassination, it was meant to be understood (any dummy can make ricin that does the job just as well. Pure Polonium, that doesn't have other isotopes that might trigger a radiation sensor, in quantities, is Big Boy stuff).
Interesting. Thanks George. Nobody in the western (corporate) media will report on the source. Any Russian investigation will be ignored. But there are a few dozen people across the west sitting in swiss villas, lake Washington mansions, Maryland colonials and British estates that could use a cup of Polonium tea.
Well, I'm not so blackpilled, even though I live next door in Hungary. In case of the fighting around Zaporizhzhia, they were very reluctant to name the Ukrainians as the attackers (even though they bragged about it, and I have an NPR(!) article to point to), eventually the international atomic whatever UN people showed up to provide an independent source. It's the UN but you gotta cook with what you have.
So I hope if there's any radiological incident, they will do get there as well.
Also, wind might carry this crap to other countries, and any cucking to Washington will become a secondary problem for the politicians over there, if the radiation alarms go off.
Any university radiological lab should have the spectrometers to do an investigation on the composition of the radioactive elements present in the bomb. That's routine science. Nerd tourists in Chernobyl do that on their laptops, there's at least one Youtube channel with that.
Although wind is unlikely to carry that stuff far, it's not like a nuke, even nukes don't spread their fallout far if they detonate close to the ground. Maybe if there's a big fire.
TLDR: it would be a very stupid escalation for either side, with only downsides and no upsides that I can see.
I'll be VERY cynical here, but gas attacks against civilians worked against Assad just as well. If I remember correctly, he was winning on the battlefield and also winning the hearts in a civil war, when, according to Western media, he decided to use a Big No No weapon against a bunch of civilians for no apparent reason. And don't forget babies in incubators, the babies on bayonets of the modern era since the First Gulf War. Why change the playbook?
Yes, every escalation Ukraine (U.S./UK) has taken against Russia the past eight years has only downsides for humanity, but upsides for their control of the masses and framing Russia and Putin as "evil". These neocons are real psychopaths. Those Syria "chemical" attacks via their White Helmet (USAID) proxies was laughable. Pathetically inept and yes, the drooling BBC-CNN watchers bought it all. "Assad is evil". They'll buy this too if it happens.
I have no illusions about either the Neocons or Putin. To us, Hungarians, Russia is a place where the natural gas and oil comes from, and we don't really want anything else to do with them. Maybe a few good Russian restaurants in Budapest.
But it's true that Americans should focus on the (post-)Neocons more than on Putin (is there a difference between John McCain or Hillary, when it comes to ForeverWar?). Putin is losing his own domestic demographic and cultural war, he's not a conquerer, but he can cause a lot of damage if provoked. There, I'll spam my 2 cents, Citizen:
https://menyhei.substack.com/p/bsp1-an-incident-in-transcarpathia
But Hungarians seem practical about Russia, pre negotiating gas contracts, future nuclear plant construction, not hysterical like the Poles.
Are you near Lake Balaton?
Close enough that a dirty bomb going off on the beach would be a concern. Between Balaton and the Danube. Have you been to Hungary?
It is true that we see this differently than Poles, I shamelessly plug another essay touching on it:
https://menyhei.substack.com/p/the-action-slavs-gamble
We are very forgiving with the Poles, they've been fucked over by history, royally. We're one of the few who are not at fault. They're betting on a Washington-exclusive strategy going forward, which is a future post that I'm planning. Not smart. Their heart is in the right place, but not smart.
Hungary is trying to act like Austria this time. We had enough 20th century, thank you. Judge us from Twitter if you will. When all the Slava Ukraini posting is over, we'll still be here to deal with the aftermath.
To quote a quote from the post I linked: "They say that we are Putin's interlocutors, when the question everyone should be asking is whether or not Russia will be in our neighbourhood for the next 100 years - I think it will be"
We're not trying to win anything out of this war, any more than the Austrians do. We're just minimizing our losses. We assume that it will be a net loss for Eastern Europe, for Europe. The longer it goes, the more.
What would be the isotope ratio of the radioactive material which is still sitting in the soil around Chernobyl?
There's not much to be potent. Remember, you can walk around there in a bathing suit, today, if you can tolerate the cold. Although, post-covid trigger warning, you SHOULD wear a mask, as breathing that stuff in might be unhealthy.
As far as radiological fingerprints go, I doubt that there's a more thoroughly studied source than Chernobyl, so don't worry.
Every peaceful nuclear project involves the creation of minute, weapons-capable isotopes, so it's a well-monitored field, even outside of military intelligence. Ukraine, after the Budapest memorandum (1994) became a non-nuclear state as far as weapons go, so they should be as probed as any other similar state, like Hungary. That is: well.
TLDR: due to Chernobyl and nuclear disarmament after the dissolution of the USSR, it's too late for Ukraine to become a nuclear rogue state without notice.
UN weapons inspectors will no doubt confirm then that the fallout has a very different isotopic signature from the Chernobyl fallout or Ukrainian nuke material. I am now much reassured! Bearing that in mind, they might not want to detonate a device at a time when the winds will widely disperse the fallout over countries which might want to check on the UN findings.
I don't have a high opinion of the UN, but I do believe that large bureaucracies suck at conspiracies.
You'd be hard pressed to find a larger bureaucracy than the UN 😉
It's also as multi-cultural as it gets and the members are so nosy that it puts gossiping high school girls into shame. It's highly unlikely that they could pull something like that off.
Well, the UN IPCC have done a pretty good job since the 1980s of convincing the entire world that man-made greenhouse gases are catastrophically heating the planet, so I'm not so sure.
That's different, a bureaucracy that has a problem to solve will always find more problems that fit its mission, and never solves what it was created to solve.
If the UN had a "Russian nuclear terrorism council", it would find Russian nuclear terrorism everywhere, as it should.
It's their nature.
Only stupid bureaucrats achieve their mission or admit that they were useless to begin with. The good ones go on forever, more and more. It's in their nature.