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I agree with much of what you write. And I tend to think and/both is closer to the truth. I've listened to Mathias several times, and agree, very persuasive. There has to be room for both views, and nuance and disagreement too. We can't all be expected to come to the same conclusion all the time.

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McCullough just agreed with that sentiment on Alex Jones just now. FF to Minute 64.

https://theinfowar.tv/watch?id=63139bdc3b29c8472ebd1de5

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