This happened more than once with your writings: I have been in a "discussion" the last 2 days with a certain David A over this very subject and as you write, he does exactly what you say they do. https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/declasse-thursday-march-2-2023-c/comment/13243624 I pushed Steve Kirsch so many times to debate Rappaport, an…
This happened more than once with your writings: I have been in a "discussion" the last 2 days with a certain David A over this very subject and as you write, he does exactly what you say they do.
I pushed Steve Kirsch so many times to debate Rappaport, and the others but in every instance, it was ignored and or attacked by his pet commenters in exactly the same fashion.
The last time of many that I encouraged Steve to debate Unz because Unz was calling Kirsch out on his "data" of deaths, the many requests were ignored by Kirsch (as Unz was making a laughing stock of him at his blog) and then Kirsch's admin attack protectors actually banned me from commenting on his substack.
I am ever more encouraged that you have finally gone there.
BTW: I recently had to visit my local nurse practitioner because after breaking a tooth, my dentist prescribed Amoxicillin which caused me to break out in hives all over my body and slightly closed my throat in an allergic reaction. The attending nurse came in with TWO masks on and told me covid was rampant again, but this time it is a stomach issue with diarrhea and intestinal discomfort.
I just looked at her and laughed, asking isn't it amazing how this corona virus has morphed into a scary shit inducing fear tactic? I could see in her eyes (since her entire face was covered) that she thought I was a kook.
I have encountered a few physicians who accept the fact that the jab was not a vaccine. But the overwhelming majority are so brainwashed they can’t make the leap into reality.
I stopped going to the doctor regularly after the end of 2021. The primary care doctor entered with two masks, then pushed the covaids injection on me. I was later told I needed to be updated on some of my childhood vaccines. Nope. No more injections for me or your overpriced examines when exercise, a good diet, and losing a little weight will do.
For various reasons, I stopped going to see doctors at all years ago. The last time I went to a doctor was for a routine medical required by my employer.
The doctor who examined me asked why I hadn't booked the appointment with my GP. I told him I didn't have one.
He laughed, and said, "Oh, no wonder you're so healthy."
Same here Anne C. No doctors for me either, but unfortunately had to see a GP recently to get an ultra sound /x-ray done, as have to have hip replacement. That was pretty demeaning as she spoke to me like I was an idiot, so won’t be seeing her again!
I totally sympathize, Leonie. Incidentally, if you are on one of those interminably long wait lists for your hip replacement, something you might want to try for relief in the meantime is gelatine.
A friend of mine who thought she was up for one and possibly two knee replacements starting taking gelatine last fall. Not only has her pain gone away, I don't think she's even interested in surgery anymore!
It doesn't work for everyone, but one study found that taking about 10grams (about a tablespoon) of gelatine a day for 70 days, along with Vitamin C, made a considerable difference for many of the participants. I believe they also did some kind of exercises that involved their joints.
It's easy to take the stuff - my friend just dissolves it in her morning coffee. Good luck if you decide to give it a try! (As a bonus, gelatine also helps the lining of your intestines. It's good stuff!)
Thanks for the info on gelatine. Anne. The operation is 3rd April and not looking forward to it. Last operation I had was when I went in for an ectopic pregnancy , 38 years ago😳. Might start with the gelatine tho as my left hip wasn’t too flash either and I don’t want that one to be bone on bone like the right hip. Cheers.🥰
I also cancelled my health insurance over five years ago, and no longer have a cardiologists, dermatologist, or gp. I go to the "doc in the box" for work physicals etc. There were no various reasons for not seeing any of my doctors. There was only one reason for all of them, i.e. they're all crooks. I could write a book.
Excellent post Good Citizen. My Dr is starting to see through all the BS, especially when I told him I got over my sinus infection within 4 days by using herbs.
Yes Becka, I too used herbal supplements to kill the virus or infections I have had. Reishi mushrooms worked the best along with apple juice, maca root, and multivitamins. It took 8-9 days but it was better than going to the doctor and dealing with antibiotics and other B.S. that they try to shove down your throat.
Diluted Povidone Iodine as a nasal rinse and throat gargle stopped the last cold I got in just 3 days. Today's doctors should know this stuff.
The sickest patients, with the most co-morbidities I've seen in my healthcare career have been the ones who constantly run off to the doctor, and get put on yet another medication.
People don't understand - these are petroleum-derived products, and that many of their issues would resolve if they just stopped swallowing petro chemicals.
I also use herbs! Mainly elderberry and boneset mixed with water and honey, along with vitamin D, vitamin C, quercitin, and zinc. I get over infections in two days compared to a whole week when I would go to the doc
Most mainstream doctors and nurses are barking mad. I have experience their insantiy in hospital/GP surgery too (UK). I have never worn a mask in this fear campaign yet the medics still are afraid. Cretinism is rife in the NHS.
Are you sure you were banned? I thought I was banned, but then it turned out that I was just reading one of his articles that required one to "upgrade to paid" in order to post a comment. The more I read Stever Kirsch's substack, the more it appears he's a cog in the controlled opposition. He continually comes up with these asinine ideas like writing one email after another, having these 'mixers' in Atlanta every week, starting a hedge fund, betting a million dollars on the data etc. etc. etc. Every third or fourth post is someone gushing about how much they want to jerk him off because of everything he's doing which hasn't accomplished much of anything other than distract people from the fact that nothing is getting done..
It may have been a month (at least getting close), but I don't read Kirsch's substack any longer, much less comment (pretty much for the same reasons you outline). I don't trust him. I suspect he is a limited hangout.
Thanks for the link. I just liked all of your posts. I'm surprised I haven't been banned as well. I've been quite vocal about how he's probably controlled opposition and just distracting people while giving them a false sense of hope that revealing the data is going to fix this mess.
I don't think he's an anti-vaxxer, and if I'm not mistaken, he used to be quite liberal. He's definitely a closeted liberal. Although, he's openly claiming that we need to fix the Nanny state which makes him a libtard in my book.
The thing that gets me is that I wasn't accusing Steve of being anything in those comments (I accused the commenters of being fanboys, however). I was giving him every possible excuse to explain his silence when Unz was taking him to task.
I also sent Steve 2 emails asking directly after the one guy posted his address. Nothing. And I was extremely cordial.
Now, does it matter if these two communicate off of Steve's platform, one explaining it all and the other completely ignoring those claims and not addressing the obvious contradiction?
Sure it does, because Steve Kirsch made his big splash by saying he will bet anyone $1M to debate it. Unz is rich, they discussed it, but not only do we NOT see a debate, Steve hides the discussion. I also think that Unz is misrepresenting data and ignoring much of what has been covered. So, basically, they are both limited hangouts (although I knew that about Unz years ago).
It was the same when I commented many times about the anti-virus crowd (Sam Bailey, Tom Cowan, Kaufman, Rappoport, and many others) willing to take his bet, but that too was ignored.
He won't put the money where his mouth is. Which means he is lying.
The thing with controlled opposition is that things get done but the pace is controlled. It is intensely frustrating for those of us who see the truth, but that is how it is in the end time show, the final act of the pantomime.
I don't think that's the definition of controlled opposition. Things get done, but they're right in line with the goals of those who are manipulating the controlled opposition. Their goals are realized, not ours. However, I can see how they occasionally will toss the opposition a bone. They like to give us a prize for our efforts, something to keep us motivated and give us a sense of hope. It keeps us in their game and preoccupied or distracted.
I would have thought my definition is exactly the way to look at it. But who is manipulating the controlled opposition? We are in a pantomime, a 'real' live pantomime, as I said and there is consequently a script to follow. I have done amateur dramatics so I understand how directors think.
We are being led to the final conclusion of the pantomime where everyone comes on stage for the curtain call and assessment of how everyone did, or didn't do.
Hello AP, I notice you bring up Ron Untz, or is it someone else, Untz….?
I read Ron for a good puke everyday on LewRockwell. He may be the most annoying SOB I have ever read, granted I never make it past the third paragraph with him.
Steve Kirsh, is that the mask guy? I think I read him way back in 2021, he is a medical freedom lackey or something else?
Take care, good luck with David A, he doesn’t read what he writes, tests, was sick and peer reviewed gub’mint sources… just quit with him imo.
I pointed out that his observation lacked factual evidence to support said claim.
He responded “but meh test told me”.
End of conversation you menacing Horace, I feel so menaced…
Next time when you try to protect your alter ego, reply to the original thread rather than using the path of least resistance… your entire retort is lazy and protective…. But meh test….
This happened more than once with your writings: I have been in a "discussion" the last 2 days with a certain David A over this very subject and as you write, he does exactly what you say they do.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/declasse-thursday-march-2-2023-c/comment/13243624
I pushed Steve Kirsch so many times to debate Rappaport, and the others but in every instance, it was ignored and or attacked by his pet commenters in exactly the same fashion.
The last time of many that I encouraged Steve to debate Unz because Unz was calling Kirsch out on his "data" of deaths, the many requests were ignored by Kirsch (as Unz was making a laughing stock of him at his blog) and then Kirsch's admin attack protectors actually banned me from commenting on his substack.
I am ever more encouraged that you have finally gone there.
Thank you,
B'Man
BTW: I recently had to visit my local nurse practitioner because after breaking a tooth, my dentist prescribed Amoxicillin which caused me to break out in hives all over my body and slightly closed my throat in an allergic reaction. The attending nurse came in with TWO masks on and told me covid was rampant again, but this time it is a stomach issue with diarrhea and intestinal discomfort.
I just looked at her and laughed, asking isn't it amazing how this corona virus has morphed into a scary shit inducing fear tactic? I could see in her eyes (since her entire face was covered) that she thought I was a kook.
hahaa. nurse ratched. 'this time covid causes hives and broken teeth dontcya know Mr McMurphy.'
I have encountered a few physicians who accept the fact that the jab was not a vaccine. But the overwhelming majority are so brainwashed they can’t make the leap into reality.
I stopped going to the doctor regularly after the end of 2021. The primary care doctor entered with two masks, then pushed the covaids injection on me. I was later told I needed to be updated on some of my childhood vaccines. Nope. No more injections for me or your overpriced examines when exercise, a good diet, and losing a little weight will do.
For various reasons, I stopped going to see doctors at all years ago. The last time I went to a doctor was for a routine medical required by my employer.
The doctor who examined me asked why I hadn't booked the appointment with my GP. I told him I didn't have one.
He laughed, and said, "Oh, no wonder you're so healthy."
Same here Anne C. No doctors for me either, but unfortunately had to see a GP recently to get an ultra sound /x-ray done, as have to have hip replacement. That was pretty demeaning as she spoke to me like I was an idiot, so won’t be seeing her again!
I totally sympathize, Leonie. Incidentally, if you are on one of those interminably long wait lists for your hip replacement, something you might want to try for relief in the meantime is gelatine.
A friend of mine who thought she was up for one and possibly two knee replacements starting taking gelatine last fall. Not only has her pain gone away, I don't think she's even interested in surgery anymore!
It doesn't work for everyone, but one study found that taking about 10grams (about a tablespoon) of gelatine a day for 70 days, along with Vitamin C, made a considerable difference for many of the participants. I believe they also did some kind of exercises that involved their joints.
It's easy to take the stuff - my friend just dissolves it in her morning coffee. Good luck if you decide to give it a try! (As a bonus, gelatine also helps the lining of your intestines. It's good stuff!)
Where does one het gelatin? Thank you.
Gelatin is good because it is an anagram of 'Angel tie', it ties your joints back together. It's all in the word!
Thanks for the info on gelatine. Anne. The operation is 3rd April and not looking forward to it. Last operation I had was when I went in for an ectopic pregnancy , 38 years ago😳. Might start with the gelatine tho as my left hip wasn’t too flash either and I don’t want that one to be bone on bone like the right hip. Cheers.🥰
I also cancelled my health insurance over five years ago, and no longer have a cardiologists, dermatologist, or gp. I go to the "doc in the box" for work physicals etc. There were no various reasons for not seeing any of my doctors. There was only one reason for all of them, i.e. they're all crooks. I could write a book.
Love the last line!
Amen, Moody Millennial. Amen.
Excellent post Good Citizen. My Dr is starting to see through all the BS, especially when I told him I got over my sinus infection within 4 days by using herbs.
Yes Becka, I too used herbal supplements to kill the virus or infections I have had. Reishi mushrooms worked the best along with apple juice, maca root, and multivitamins. It took 8-9 days but it was better than going to the doctor and dealing with antibiotics and other B.S. that they try to shove down your throat.
I use HP and a drip of Lugols Iodine in A Nebulizer. I had a massive headache. It was all gone in 24 hrs. Just try it sometime. Herbs are great too!
Diluted Povidone Iodine as a nasal rinse and throat gargle stopped the last cold I got in just 3 days. Today's doctors should know this stuff.
The sickest patients, with the most co-morbidities I've seen in my healthcare career have been the ones who constantly run off to the doctor, and get put on yet another medication.
People don't understand - these are petroleum-derived products, and that many of their issues would resolve if they just stopped swallowing petro chemicals.
They are literally poisoning themselves.
💯💜
I also use herbs! Mainly elderberry and boneset mixed with water and honey, along with vitamin D, vitamin C, quercitin, and zinc. I get over infections in two days compared to a whole week when I would go to the doc
Most mainstream doctors and nurses are barking mad. I have experience their insantiy in hospital/GP surgery too (UK). I have never worn a mask in this fear campaign yet the medics still are afraid. Cretinism is rife in the NHS.
Are you sure you were banned? I thought I was banned, but then it turned out that I was just reading one of his articles that required one to "upgrade to paid" in order to post a comment. The more I read Stever Kirsch's substack, the more it appears he's a cog in the controlled opposition. He continually comes up with these asinine ideas like writing one email after another, having these 'mixers' in Atlanta every week, starting a hedge fund, betting a million dollars on the data etc. etc. etc. Every third or fourth post is someone gushing about how much they want to jerk him off because of everything he's doing which hasn't accomplished much of anything other than distract people from the fact that nothing is getting done..
I'm positive. When I went back several times, it actually says, "Banned". The admin replied to my comment telling me so.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/exclusive-what-the-medicare-data/comment/12605669
It may have been a month (at least getting close), but I don't read Kirsch's substack any longer, much less comment (pretty much for the same reasons you outline). I don't trust him. I suspect he is a limited hangout.
Thanks for the link. I just liked all of your posts. I'm surprised I haven't been banned as well. I've been quite vocal about how he's probably controlled opposition and just distracting people while giving them a false sense of hope that revealing the data is going to fix this mess.
I don't think he's an anti-vaxxer, and if I'm not mistaken, he used to be quite liberal. He's definitely a closeted liberal. Although, he's openly claiming that we need to fix the Nanny state which makes him a libtard in my book.
I appreciate that Shnarkle.
The thing that gets me is that I wasn't accusing Steve of being anything in those comments (I accused the commenters of being fanboys, however). I was giving him every possible excuse to explain his silence when Unz was taking him to task.
I also sent Steve 2 emails asking directly after the one guy posted his address. Nothing. And I was extremely cordial.
Now, does it matter if these two communicate off of Steve's platform, one explaining it all and the other completely ignoring those claims and not addressing the obvious contradiction?
Sure it does, because Steve Kirsch made his big splash by saying he will bet anyone $1M to debate it. Unz is rich, they discussed it, but not only do we NOT see a debate, Steve hides the discussion. I also think that Unz is misrepresenting data and ignoring much of what has been covered. So, basically, they are both limited hangouts (although I knew that about Unz years ago).
It was the same when I commented many times about the anti-virus crowd (Sam Bailey, Tom Cowan, Kaufman, Rappoport, and many others) willing to take his bet, but that too was ignored.
He won't put the money where his mouth is. Which means he is lying.
The thing with controlled opposition is that things get done but the pace is controlled. It is intensely frustrating for those of us who see the truth, but that is how it is in the end time show, the final act of the pantomime.
I don't think that's the definition of controlled opposition. Things get done, but they're right in line with the goals of those who are manipulating the controlled opposition. Their goals are realized, not ours. However, I can see how they occasionally will toss the opposition a bone. They like to give us a prize for our efforts, something to keep us motivated and give us a sense of hope. It keeps us in their game and preoccupied or distracted.
I would have thought my definition is exactly the way to look at it. But who is manipulating the controlled opposition? We are in a pantomime, a 'real' live pantomime, as I said and there is consequently a script to follow. I have done amateur dramatics so I understand how directors think.
We are being led to the final conclusion of the pantomime where everyone comes on stage for the curtain call and assessment of how everyone did, or didn't do.
Hello AP, I notice you bring up Ron Untz, or is it someone else, Untz….?
I read Ron for a good puke everyday on LewRockwell. He may be the most annoying SOB I have ever read, granted I never make it past the third paragraph with him.
Steve Kirsh, is that the mask guy? I think I read him way back in 2021, he is a medical freedom lackey or something else?
Take care, good luck with David A, he doesn’t read what he writes, tests, was sick and peer reviewed gub’mint sources… just quit with him imo.
I looked through your commen interaction with David A and to be honest I think it is your position that is weak. In essence
1. You made a claim.
2. David A responded by noting that he had a direct experience of covid himself which didn't fit with your claim
3. Your response was to dismiss his observation as subjective and invalid because it didn't fit with your theory.
Is your behavior really any different from a doctor who dismisses his patients' observations beacuse they don't fit his preconceived notions?
What claim did I make?
My first comment started with QUESTIONS. He never addressed the questions.
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Is it real? Or do the studies use the data supplied by false PCR tests, given to us by known liars, implemented by those who profitted from the scam?
DavidA, made the initial claim.
I pointed out that his observation lacked factual evidence to support said claim.
He responded “but meh test told me”.
End of conversation you menacing Horace, I feel so menaced…
Next time when you try to protect your alter ego, reply to the original thread rather than using the path of least resistance… your entire retort is lazy and protective…. But meh test….
Weird. You accuse me of having an alter ego, which I don't. And yet strangely it is your reply which is under a different name.
I replied here because this is the article I read, and the comment I first came across, and the one upon which I wished to cmment.