Excellent. I'm watching a lot of people - like Cruella - bury themselves right now. RFK JR too. I don't think they grok where we are. Redux isn't working. No one (paying attention) is interested. Thanks.
No - I was referring to that tweet and his conversation, pre conflict, with Jimmy Dore also defending Israel and less than generous comments on Palestians. I think he's trying to avoid making things worse by avoiding the subject, which won't work. Everyone in the political realm must have taken an oath. I suspect they are surprised by how many of us are no longer falling in line.
I think Cynthia McKinney said there was an oath they had to take. And when she refused, they pushed her out and put in that guy who thinks Guam is going to tip over.
I don't know whether they have to take an oath about Israel; they do have to swear to uphold the US Constitution. Sen. Tom Massie (R-KY) revealed to Tucker that everyone who gets a seat in Congress gets a "handler" from AIPAC to keep them in line w/ Israel. Massie said he's the only one that has refused to meet w/ "his" person from AIPAC.
In one of Charles Eisenstein's recent posts (Charles is a part of the RFK, Jr. campaign), he included a Tweet showing RFK, Jr. making comments about Israel. He said -- with his face hanging out -- that Israel is essential to American security in the Middle East. Stunning. I left a comment. Here is a portion of it, which Charles liked:
"How utterly absurd. Does RFK, Jr. mean to say that the United States is incapable of having secure, respectful, non-violent relations with the countries of the Middle East without Israel??? If that's what he means..? Among the myriad problems with that statement, what message does that convey to the people of those countries??? Just ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous."
Of course, the reality is that since its inception, that political construct courtesy of Balfour and Rothschild has brought nothing but insecurity, suffering, death, heartache, and resentment to the region. If there had been the slightest sliver of an inclination to vote for RFK, Jr. should he be on the ballot, that statement right there sealed it -- no effing way.
They all have to kneel before zod. Sad but if RFK jr.who is one of the most sensible candidates since Ron Paul can't get this right then what more proof do people need that Israel runs the US government and controls its politicians?
Now that he's slated to be HHS Sec. he can focus on what he does best and not have to concern himself w/ Israel (if it's possible to be in the fed gov't and not have to work for Isr.)
Yep. Compare RFKjr's stance with his FORMER campaign manager, Dennis Kucinich (often very critical of Israel/Gaza policy and actions). His post from today, tho not anti Israel, basically seeks to defund the WarBeast. His motives are to be questioned as well, but, it differs: https://denniskucinich.substack.com/p/how-to-stop-the-wars?
I didn't know he was 'former' which is what surprised me about RFK jr'srecent tweets. Anti-war was the best thing about Dennis and he should have kept him on his campaign for that alone. Now he'll quickly self-immolate like Desantis did. Maybe he was always just another false choice.
It happened a few weeks back around RFKs tweet, so perhaps a resignation or firing or none of the above but the timing makes it seem so. Read somewhere that an exCIA in-law of K replaced him? Dunno how true that part is.
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Bravo!! Excellent post!!
Thanks for calling out Tulsi, the latest whore for the Zio genocide, MIC and the 2nd round of the Global war of Terror!! I wish I could say I was shocked with by her response to the on-going genocide of the Palestinian people, but I'm not. I've been suspicious of her for a while because of the WEF Young Global Leader crap and then doing a stint on Faux News. She never sounded genuine--everything coming from her sounded fake and rehearsed. And then once she went to Maui and said NOTHING about them being DEWd and stuck to the official script, well that once the end of it for me.
So, I'm totally NOT shocked. And just before your substack post came in, I saw an article on her at ZionHedge, and I have to say I felt an evil radiating from her, like it was always there, but now she doesn't have to hide it.
And she's not the only one who has flipped for the new war of terror--did you hear about Vivek?? Apparently, he's now a full supporter of Israhell and called for heads on pikes, which I believe is something they did in Iraq (and by "they" I'm referring to the Death Squads the ZSA sent in)
Where's Tucker on all of this?? We were supposed to think he was so brave for talking about Building 7 after he was no longer on Faux News, but has he said anything about the latest obvious as hell FF being used as an excuse for the slaughter of children, on-going genocide and possibly WW3?
It's hard to wrap your head around the evil we are up against. It's like we're surrounded by demonic, genocidal psychopaths and they're everywhere (controlling almost all governments, the media, the alt media). It feels like our world has gone mad.
She always seemed polished and rehearsed like Vivek does now. Saying the right easy things at the right times. But you're right, now there's something absolutely evil about her presence. Disturbing to watch. Vivek went full Zionut last Saturday at the drooling dogs conference. Also very disturbing. I wouldn't vote for any of these assholes to run a lemonade stand. Then again, I've never voted in my life. I vote for self reliance and staying as far away from these psychos and their herds as possible.
Absolutely correct Good Citizen, self governance is the only path left to take. Fuck all these assclowns who think they should "lead" us, I'm not some mentally deranged dimwit who cannot take care of himself so why the hell should I want someone like Gabbard or, in my state of Illinois, that fat fuck JB Pritzker to "lead" me anywhere. That's the main problem with our current society, way too many people think they need to be led rather than owing their self sovereignty. How exactly are, love this term you used, "selections" going to solve any of the issues in this world? Democrats love to think that if they control all the levers of government then a magical utopia will unfold before us, one of trannies everywhere and the evil whitey locked in the stockade. Republicans think that if Trump or whoever else is selected their own magical utopia will appear, one of unquestioned warfare against any enemy chosen by their handlers in the WEF and fundamentalist Christianity being the one enshrined as the only allowed religion. They all make me sick, it's time for the sleeping sheep to awaken from their vaccine, media, and education induced comas, do I have hope this will happen? Not really but there's always a chance, keep up the good work brother!
Thanks Rev. It's one of their most effective tools in keeping Americans at the service of the national machinery of debt servitude. Dribble a little hope every few years, turn it into a two year spectacle of distraction that enriches media conglomerates and PACs, and keep taxing them so the looting continues. Pattern recognition is a useful tool to break out of destructive cycles, but they took that away long ago with their standard Rockefeller education. Testosterone is needed also to take action, but they took that away too with plastics, chems, trans fats, seed oils, GMOs, emfs, processed foods, and here we are, watching the idiocracy unfold in real time.
Suicide bombed his campaign with that idiotic speech. A man who panders to 1% of the voters whose people are over represented in the government and media at an astonishing rate is simply pandering to the swamp. Big L.
Honest to God, I was gobsmacked (as the English would say) when I actually heard and saw him say that with his waving arms. Hard to believe I was hearing what I was hearing...
At least we have our brave men and women in uniform out there “defending our freedoms” . . by taking orders from the very people who are destroying our freedoms.
I always come back to Zinn: "The problem is obedience." We're constantly giving our power away to some authority or other. If we didn't, we'd have to stand up for ourselves in ways that are far too uncomfortable, even impossible, to most. I don't see peace as an option. It's an ideal but not doable considering the present state of consciousness and vested interests.
Republican and Democrat politicians are zionists. Evangelicals are zionists. The entire world is infested with this parasite, except for Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and NK. That is why the zionists want them destroyed.
Wow! You really knocked this one out of the park! It's unbelievable that Tulsi Gabbard believes she can walk back her WEF affiliation by lying about it now. It's too bad 90% of people are going to swallow all the Zionist propaganda one more time. Christians began to be programmed with all this extreme Zionism back in the 19th century and that is now bearing some very nasty fruit here in the US especially.
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GC, thanks for calling out the Fox News warmongers. Watching The Five is like watching a bunch of junior CIA trainees beat each other off as they fight for the controller that will zap the next goat farmer on the other side of the globe. I expect Pirro and Waters to come on set wearing IDF uniforms.
Great three rules. I've become more suspicious of people in the "alternative" news space, too. It is better to invest in oneself than keep up with the clown show that the news can be anyway.
Whatever side you're on, the game is clicks. There is no way to discern what is true unless you see it with your own eyes. Covid should have taught everyone that. Like you said, the only sensible thing to do in light of these facts is to withdraw.
Please don't leave us Good Citizen....I have seen this also too clearly and think I am crazy...but this is the same op. Same script. They just keep doing it and the idiots here keep falling for it. I don't think I can stand it. They want the US to take 1MM (if any are left) Paletinians, and you know this is at heart a LAND GRAB by Israel (like Lahaina...they are gonna create two Hong Kongs)...and yes, Iran as the baddies are next.
I'm not buying any of it. This is outrageous. These people have no water, no electricity, no food.....and the US neocons are fully on board...
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Now THAT'S journalism: we should be calling these people out like this before they get their dancing shoes on to start their totalitarian tiptoe (to borrow a David Icke phrase). And whoever put together that poster of the NAC members can't tell the difference b/w George Soros and David Rockefeller (both mega-trolls, I admit). Good one, GC
PS: I can't wait to use "Occasional Cortex" in conversation! Genius!
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A word of advice--- be VERY careful with Max Igan. I read someone on Twitter that was excoriated for re-posting a snippet from the video referenced in this substack. Specifially, the bit where Max claims that the Israeli troops are executing civilian men in a pit of tires. That happened in 2013 in Syria:
Max is either ill informed or trying to gin up anti-Israel sentiment. Also... the video he shows of Israeli's supposedly rushing to enter an apartment building could be anything; there's no evidence showing there is an empty apartment, or anything else that could verify what it is. In video, you choose what people see on camera and what people don't see. Remember that. It's how you shape the narrative.
Finally, Max has been to Gaza. Shouldn't he know if people are speaking Hebrew or Arabic?
Personally, I like Max, and have watched a bunch of his videos. However... at this point, it would appear that he's either been mislead or isn't being truthful, either of which aren't good for his credibility.
Good call on noticing Max's glitch with the video clip of civilian men being executed in a pit. It seems The Guardian reported on this video in 2022, and while I don't consider The Guardian a trustworthy source of information, the timeline establishes that the incident could not have taken place during the recent siege of Gaza.
To be fair to Max - he has been pulling together really long videos with a lot of footage to help people follow what is happening in Gaza in face of a real dearth of information from the MSM. He also contributes his extensive historical knowledge of the situation to help people understand the background of the events. If he occasionally uses an inaccurate clip in error, that hardly condemns the rest of his really excellent work.
It's not like he's pulling some huge salary doing all this, or has a network behind him full of support technicians and researchers.
Regarding the footage of Israeli settlers who are apparently rushing to take up residence in an apartment building when the legitimate Palestinian residents are attending a funeral... I agree there is not enough evidence in the video footage to verify Max's narrative, but the settlers' body language is certainly interesting. And it fits a larger pattern of Jews taking over Palestinian apartments in reports as recent as 2015 and 2021:
Like you, I really like Max, and I'll continue watching and appreciating his reports - while continuing to exercise discernment about everything I see on a screen.
He's a knowledgeable source on the region, and the global technocratic order, and usually pretty trustworthy as in I don't think he would intentionally use atrocity propaganda for political reasons in the same way a Ben Shapiro would.
I said in the comments of your first writing on this giant cluster-fuck, I don’t support or pick either side. That doesn’t mean I am anti Palestinian or for Hamas/Mossad.
Does this mean we are picking the same side as the squad I have to ask myself here and there. Jesus fuck sake no way no how.
All of these morons have no clue what is going on, they are just being told by Kuck Schwan what to do and are financed as such.
Is it fair to say that inviting Islam into the west is the plan, and it is wrong on so many levels, it has been done on purpose? What say you, who sees the two cultures not being compatible in the west? I cannot speak of the Middle East as I have not been anywhere but Israel for a business trip 12 or so years ago.
Excellent. I'm watching a lot of people - like Cruella - bury themselves right now. RFK JR too. I don't think they grok where we are. Redux isn't working. No one (paying attention) is interested. Thanks.
Did RFK Jr. pull a Glenn Beck? I saw his tweet the day after the false flag. No bueno. Any links to recent performances?
Pretty much. He disappointed me bigtime w/ his "stand w/ Israel" comments the day after the false flag. Everyone is infected it seems.
No - I was referring to that tweet and his conversation, pre conflict, with Jimmy Dore also defending Israel and less than generous comments on Palestians. I think he's trying to avoid making things worse by avoiding the subject, which won't work. Everyone in the political realm must have taken an oath. I suspect they are surprised by how many of us are no longer falling in line.
I think Cynthia McKinney said there was an oath they had to take. And when she refused, they pushed her out and put in that guy who thinks Guam is going to tip over.
I don't know whether they have to take an oath about Israel; they do have to swear to uphold the US Constitution. Sen. Tom Massie (R-KY) revealed to Tucker that everyone who gets a seat in Congress gets a "handler" from AIPAC to keep them in line w/ Israel. Massie said he's the only one that has refused to meet w/ "his" person from AIPAC.
In one of Charles Eisenstein's recent posts (Charles is a part of the RFK, Jr. campaign), he included a Tweet showing RFK, Jr. making comments about Israel. He said -- with his face hanging out -- that Israel is essential to American security in the Middle East. Stunning. I left a comment. Here is a portion of it, which Charles liked:
"How utterly absurd. Does RFK, Jr. mean to say that the United States is incapable of having secure, respectful, non-violent relations with the countries of the Middle East without Israel??? If that's what he means..? Among the myriad problems with that statement, what message does that convey to the people of those countries??? Just ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous."
Of course, the reality is that since its inception, that political construct courtesy of Balfour and Rothschild has brought nothing but insecurity, suffering, death, heartache, and resentment to the region. If there had been the slightest sliver of an inclination to vote for RFK, Jr. should he be on the ballot, that statement right there sealed it -- no effing way.
They all have to kneel before zod. Sad but if RFK jr.who is one of the most sensible candidates since Ron Paul can't get this right then what more proof do people need that Israel runs the US government and controls its politicians?
Now that he's slated to be HHS Sec. he can focus on what he does best and not have to concern himself w/ Israel (if it's possible to be in the fed gov't and not have to work for Isr.)
No effing way for me too!
Yep. Compare RFKjr's stance with his FORMER campaign manager, Dennis Kucinich (often very critical of Israel/Gaza policy and actions). His post from today, tho not anti Israel, basically seeks to defund the WarBeast. His motives are to be questioned as well, but, it differs: https://denniskucinich.substack.com/p/how-to-stop-the-wars?
I didn't know he was 'former' which is what surprised me about RFK jr'srecent tweets. Anti-war was the best thing about Dennis and he should have kept him on his campaign for that alone. Now he'll quickly self-immolate like Desantis did. Maybe he was always just another false choice.
It happened a few weeks back around RFKs tweet, so perhaps a resignation or firing or none of the above but the timing makes it seem so. Read somewhere that an exCIA in-law of K replaced him? Dunno how true that part is.
It's true.
Bravo!! Excellent post!!
Thanks for calling out Tulsi, the latest whore for the Zio genocide, MIC and the 2nd round of the Global war of Terror!! I wish I could say I was shocked with by her response to the on-going genocide of the Palestinian people, but I'm not. I've been suspicious of her for a while because of the WEF Young Global Leader crap and then doing a stint on Faux News. She never sounded genuine--everything coming from her sounded fake and rehearsed. And then once she went to Maui and said NOTHING about them being DEWd and stuck to the official script, well that once the end of it for me.
So, I'm totally NOT shocked. And just before your substack post came in, I saw an article on her at ZionHedge, and I have to say I felt an evil radiating from her, like it was always there, but now she doesn't have to hide it.
And she's not the only one who has flipped for the new war of terror--did you hear about Vivek?? Apparently, he's now a full supporter of Israhell and called for heads on pikes, which I believe is something they did in Iraq (and by "they" I'm referring to the Death Squads the ZSA sent in)
Where's Tucker on all of this?? We were supposed to think he was so brave for talking about Building 7 after he was no longer on Faux News, but has he said anything about the latest obvious as hell FF being used as an excuse for the slaughter of children, on-going genocide and possibly WW3?
It's hard to wrap your head around the evil we are up against. It's like we're surrounded by demonic, genocidal psychopaths and they're everywhere (controlling almost all governments, the media, the alt media). It feels like our world has gone mad.
She always seemed polished and rehearsed like Vivek does now. Saying the right easy things at the right times. But you're right, now there's something absolutely evil about her presence. Disturbing to watch. Vivek went full Zionut last Saturday at the drooling dogs conference. Also very disturbing. I wouldn't vote for any of these assholes to run a lemonade stand. Then again, I've never voted in my life. I vote for self reliance and staying as far away from these psychos and their herds as possible.
Absolutely correct Good Citizen, self governance is the only path left to take. Fuck all these assclowns who think they should "lead" us, I'm not some mentally deranged dimwit who cannot take care of himself so why the hell should I want someone like Gabbard or, in my state of Illinois, that fat fuck JB Pritzker to "lead" me anywhere. That's the main problem with our current society, way too many people think they need to be led rather than owing their self sovereignty. How exactly are, love this term you used, "selections" going to solve any of the issues in this world? Democrats love to think that if they control all the levers of government then a magical utopia will unfold before us, one of trannies everywhere and the evil whitey locked in the stockade. Republicans think that if Trump or whoever else is selected their own magical utopia will appear, one of unquestioned warfare against any enemy chosen by their handlers in the WEF and fundamentalist Christianity being the one enshrined as the only allowed religion. They all make me sick, it's time for the sleeping sheep to awaken from their vaccine, media, and education induced comas, do I have hope this will happen? Not really but there's always a chance, keep up the good work brother!
Thanks Rev. It's one of their most effective tools in keeping Americans at the service of the national machinery of debt servitude. Dribble a little hope every few years, turn it into a two year spectacle of distraction that enriches media conglomerates and PACs, and keep taxing them so the looting continues. Pattern recognition is a useful tool to break out of destructive cycles, but they took that away long ago with their standard Rockefeller education. Testosterone is needed also to take action, but they took that away too with plastics, chems, trans fats, seed oils, GMOs, emfs, processed foods, and here we are, watching the idiocracy unfold in real time.
"...going for Ben & Jerry's...with 'anti-Semitic' sprinkles on top." Vivek R.
WITAF????
Suicide bombed his campaign with that idiotic speech. A man who panders to 1% of the voters whose people are over represented in the government and media at an astonishing rate is simply pandering to the swamp. Big L.
Honest to God, I was gobsmacked (as the English would say) when I actually heard and saw him say that with his waving arms. Hard to believe I was hearing what I was hearing...
At least we have our brave men and women in uniform out there “defending our freedoms” . . by taking orders from the very people who are destroying our freedoms.
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Oh Good Citizen, I am not sure if it is a blessing or a curse to be old enough to remember the script.
Maybe dementia would be a blessing at this point.
Over and over again. Same Shit, different day.
I always come back to Zinn: "The problem is obedience." We're constantly giving our power away to some authority or other. If we didn't, we'd have to stand up for ourselves in ways that are far too uncomfortable, even impossible, to most. I don't see peace as an option. It's an ideal but not doable considering the present state of consciousness and vested interests.
Republican and Democrat politicians are zionists. Evangelicals are zionists. The entire world is infested with this parasite, except for Russia, China, Iran, Syria, and NK. That is why the zionists want them destroyed.
Wow! You really knocked this one out of the park! It's unbelievable that Tulsi Gabbard believes she can walk back her WEF affiliation by lying about it now. It's too bad 90% of people are going to swallow all the Zionist propaganda one more time. Christians began to be programmed with all this extreme Zionism back in the 19th century and that is now bearing some very nasty fruit here in the US especially.
I never vote. After the JFK murder, what is the point? However, If I did vote, I would vote for Dr. Shiva.
With you. Might write him in.
GC, thanks for calling out the Fox News warmongers. Watching The Five is like watching a bunch of junior CIA trainees beat each other off as they fight for the controller that will zap the next goat farmer on the other side of the globe. I expect Pirro and Waters to come on set wearing IDF uniforms.
Great three rules. I've become more suspicious of people in the "alternative" news space, too. It is better to invest in oneself than keep up with the clown show that the news can be anyway.
Whatever side you're on, the game is clicks. There is no way to discern what is true unless you see it with your own eyes. Covid should have taught everyone that. Like you said, the only sensible thing to do in light of these facts is to withdraw.
Yep, I have a website. I understand it is about clicks/views, then sales.
Please don't leave us Good Citizen....I have seen this also too clearly and think I am crazy...but this is the same op. Same script. They just keep doing it and the idiots here keep falling for it. I don't think I can stand it. They want the US to take 1MM (if any are left) Paletinians, and you know this is at heart a LAND GRAB by Israel (like Lahaina...they are gonna create two Hong Kongs)...and yes, Iran as the baddies are next.
I'm not buying any of it. This is outrageous. These people have no water, no electricity, no food.....and the US neocons are fully on board...
I want to throw up.
Now THAT'S journalism: we should be calling these people out like this before they get their dancing shoes on to start their totalitarian tiptoe (to borrow a David Icke phrase). And whoever put together that poster of the NAC members can't tell the difference b/w George Soros and David Rockefeller (both mega-trolls, I admit). Good one, GC
PS: I can't wait to use "Occasional Cortex" in conversation! Genius!
Re "Occasional Cortex," me, too! Also, "Cruella Aloha"??? OMG! First I've heard that and it is golden! Usin' it!
A word of advice--- be VERY careful with Max Igan. I read someone on Twitter that was excoriated for re-posting a snippet from the video referenced in this substack. Specifially, the bit where Max claims that the Israeli troops are executing civilian men in a pit of tires. That happened in 2013 in Syria:
https://deepgoretube.site/41-civilians-murdered-in-a-brutal-way-by-the-syrian-army/
Max is either ill informed or trying to gin up anti-Israel sentiment. Also... the video he shows of Israeli's supposedly rushing to enter an apartment building could be anything; there's no evidence showing there is an empty apartment, or anything else that could verify what it is. In video, you choose what people see on camera and what people don't see. Remember that. It's how you shape the narrative.
Finally, Max has been to Gaza. Shouldn't he know if people are speaking Hebrew or Arabic?
Personally, I like Max, and have watched a bunch of his videos. However... at this point, it would appear that he's either been mislead or isn't being truthful, either of which aren't good for his credibility.
Ahh, good to know. Thanks. I thought I heard Hebrew but I didn't want to watch it more than once.
Good call on noticing Max's glitch with the video clip of civilian men being executed in a pit. It seems The Guardian reported on this video in 2022, and while I don't consider The Guardian a trustworthy source of information, the timeline establishes that the incident could not have taken place during the recent siege of Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/apr/27/a-hidden-war-footage-sheds-light-on-horrors-of-war-in-syria-video-explainer
To be fair to Max - he has been pulling together really long videos with a lot of footage to help people follow what is happening in Gaza in face of a real dearth of information from the MSM. He also contributes his extensive historical knowledge of the situation to help people understand the background of the events. If he occasionally uses an inaccurate clip in error, that hardly condemns the rest of his really excellent work.
It's not like he's pulling some huge salary doing all this, or has a network behind him full of support technicians and researchers.
Regarding the footage of Israeli settlers who are apparently rushing to take up residence in an apartment building when the legitimate Palestinian residents are attending a funeral... I agree there is not enough evidence in the video footage to verify Max's narrative, but the settlers' body language is certainly interesting. And it fits a larger pattern of Jews taking over Palestinian apartments in reports as recent as 2015 and 2021:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/4/if-i-dont-steal-your-home-someone-else-will-jewish-settler-says
https://www.972mag.com/settlers-take-over-east-jerusalem-home-in-the-dead-of-night/
Like you, I really like Max, and I'll continue watching and appreciating his reports - while continuing to exercise discernment about everything I see on a screen.
He's a knowledgeable source on the region, and the global technocratic order, and usually pretty trustworthy as in I don't think he would intentionally use atrocity propaganda for political reasons in the same way a Ben Shapiro would.
Palestinians are called ''terrorists.'' Israelis are called ''settlers.'' I call BS.
Something to think about.
Another solid piece, GC!
Outstanding.
All Wars are Bankers Wars. https://twitter.com/Inversionism/status/1711161404772806973
I said in the comments of your first writing on this giant cluster-fuck, I don’t support or pick either side. That doesn’t mean I am anti Palestinian or for Hamas/Mossad.
Does this mean we are picking the same side as the squad I have to ask myself here and there. Jesus fuck sake no way no how.
All of these morons have no clue what is going on, they are just being told by Kuck Schwan what to do and are financed as such.
Is it fair to say that inviting Islam into the west is the plan, and it is wrong on so many levels, it has been done on purpose? What say you, who sees the two cultures not being compatible in the west? I cannot speak of the Middle East as I have not been anywhere but Israel for a business trip 12 or so years ago.